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#2201
07 Feb 2010, 13:59
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Damn it, I had wished for England.
And a big blargh at drawing Iceland again. The away matches against them are a pain in the ass for any team. Drawing Denmark is pretty cool though. Can't wait for the war between Danish and Norwegian media exchanging insults and whatnot 
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#2204
08 Feb 2010, 00:30
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Quote of the Cyprus coach: "Cyprus and Norway will be aiming to make a big push in the group, while I believe Iceland will be a little behind the rest."
I know Norway isn't as good as Portugal, but come on  He's comparing Cyprus(!!) to Norway and he thinks Iceland will finish last. Even KeoN has more football knowledge than this dude
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#2207
08 Feb 2010, 17:22
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cowardice much alike my dislike of of hiddink / mourinho and even harry redknapp to an extent, as i've ranted to great detail previously however at the same time you guys were indeed superb defensively, but it's just a shame there wasn't really any more football on offer besides that. i'm not saying you should be coming gung ho a la man city when we ripped them apart 3-0, but some 28 shots vs 10 says a lot i think. (in the opp fixture we had 23 vs 12 of yours whilst away) it's almost a shame we started the season off as well as we did because teams know we struggle to break them down when they play as you have and as our losses to wolves, stoke, etc prove - but we aren't good enough at all to be treated as one of such teams (esp with our most direct player, lennon, injured for another while still) so we're screwed pretty much this same thing happened to villa last year which coincided with their stark downturn in form (as it has with ours)
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#2209
08 Feb 2010, 18:25
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Jonny, any comment on
1. Gazza , getting hammered and causing a commotion , and getting arrested. 2. Andy Carroll , getting hammered , causing a commotion , and getting arrested. 3. West Brom and Notts Forest going out of their way to hand you the title on a plate, and Rob Earnshaw playing the worlds worst mind games in the papers today. Ste , your input on Earnie trying to be Fergie would be appreciated.
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#2210
08 Feb 2010, 18:27
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The entire game , between you , you managed 9 shots on target. Including anything hit from outside the area , and weak shots that trickled into the keepers arms or were cleared. You cancelled each other out. Two managers with similar goals played the exact tactic the other one expected , and ended up with nothing. 0-0 was the fair result.
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#2211
08 Feb 2010, 18:32
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it was the fair result - we weren't good enough to score, and they didn't try for anything more than a draw. by the way we had 15 shots on target. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8493278.stm)
but that's the point i was making, clubs are coming to WHL parking the bus whilst we're not actually THAT good (as in we don't have a rooney torres drogba to score out of nothing etc because huddlestone is still fat, palacios is just a better zokora, modric has the least composure in front of goal for someone so supremely gifted i've ever seen, crouch is wasted and defoe's purely a percentages player like andy cole back in the day - shoot enough and he'll score, kranjcar has sublime finishing technique but is inconsistent as shit, bentley has lost nearly all of his footballing ability since moving to us..etc) villa don't really have anyone like this either (closest is a.young but not really, same boat as lennon although lennon's been brilliant this year, i prefer milner to young in the end just as i prefer modric to lennon mind) but that's ultimately why we aren't a top team but just pretenders. Last edited by jer; 08 Feb 2010 at 18:38.
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#2212
08 Feb 2010, 19:30
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Match stats from BBC , ESPN & Sky all confirming 5 Spurs shots on target from 34 shots total , and 4 Villa shots on target from 11 efforts on goal.
This does back up your theory of a park the bus , but also says your midfield is horrifically wasteful when shooting , and maybe 'Arry needed a different approach to playing Villa.
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#2213
08 Feb 2010, 20:34
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 Haven't read about it. Just wish somebody would take care of him, he can't do it himself.2. Glassed his mate. Young yet, has to learn. 3. Yeah I see your point. It's not like were 15 games unbeaten in the league is it.
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#2214
08 Feb 2010, 20:39
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if any of these goals were scored in the premiership people would be creaming themselves over them for months:
http://www.socceram.com/goaloftheyear
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#2215
08 Feb 2010, 20:40
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EDIT - in fact can't find anything about earnshaw anywhere on the net today. Do you mean Billy Davies, our manager?
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#2216
09 Feb 2010, 00:38
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davies is too busy whinging about being kicked during the Derby game.
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#2217
09 Feb 2010, 09:27
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Yeah well, it could be argued that the toon are the team everybody wants to beat this season as seen by the high attendances at our away games, so I don't see how 2nd or 3rd is harder?.
Speaking of attendances..... Friday night Championship match at Newcastle 44,028 Saturday Premiership match at the Great Unwashed 38,350.
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#2219
09 Feb 2010, 12:22
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Well yes and no on a few levels.
Compare Man U, Chelsea and Spuds to Scunthorpe, Doncaster and Plymouth. Then compare the average gates. Done that? Then compare our average gate last season (how many games did we win), to Sunderland's this season. Also bear in mind, they was winning team for the first half of the season. It simply does not stack up jer. Both seasons we are top. I've no beef against you, I mean this is a million miles removed from your team. But the fact that the Mackams insist they are a bigger club than us is simply bullshit. I've no doubts whatsoever that their support is as fervent as ours, and I have great respect for that, but on this one point they are sadly deluded. Passion or not, past and modern history doesn't lie. Living in Arsenals shadow, I totally understand the error of your ways
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#2220
09 Feb 2010, 12:26
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That said, I think teams are always going to play to their strengths. Spurs are a more effective attacking team than defensive (although pretty good all round), whereas Villa are solid defensively (although, again, with a decent attack). We lack a striker, basically. It was always going to be Spurs attacking and us playing on the counter! Granted, maybe not to the extent that it ended up being. I fail to believe that Friedel actually made 15 saves in that game, though - most of Spurs' shots were edge of the area/distance pops that got blocked by our defence (hence the 14 corners or whatever it was). Either way, whatever O'Neill decided to do, tactically, worked for us. Spurs are a better footballing side than us at the moment with 2 strikers in the reckoning for the WC - yet they've failed to beat us this season. Likewise with Moaning Wenger going on about the long ball situation - he's just frustrated that his "wonderful, fluid, attractive, pure-football" playing team failed to score against our solid defence. I think that's what O'Neill is trying to do at Villa - make sure the defence holds up and THEN go for more attacking options. Agbonlahor, unfortunately, isn't going to make the step up to being a class finisher but he offers more to our team than either Carew or Heskey. This will, surely, be O'Neill main place of concern in the summer window. If we had a 15/20-goal a season striker, we'd currently be challenging for a position in the top 3. After all, only Chelsea and Man City have lost less games than us this season I believe? Drawing is our downfall.
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#2221
09 Feb 2010, 12:31
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09 Feb 2010, 12:52
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#2223
09 Feb 2010, 13:01
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Let's look at our all time matches then. History. Played 149 Newcastle Wins 64 Draws 31 Your Wins 54. Does that make Newcastle a bigger club, fuck no. I'd imagine our FA Cup (certainly in circa 1930) and Div 1 winners are pretty even. Of course you won the European Championship nearly 30 years ago, but you you've never been to last 8 of the Champions League etc. Oh, sorry have you even made CL? Yes our support is bigger however we've a lot less competition but our population is significantly smaller and more spread out. Our Premiership record reads..... Away to you 2008/09 lost 0-1 2007/08 lost 1-4 Owen 2006/07 lost 0-2 2005/06 won 2-1 Ameobi, N'Zogbia 2004/05 lost 2-4 Kluivert, O'Brien 2003/04 drew 0-0 2002/03 won 1-0 Shearer 2001/02 drew 1-1 Shearer 2000/01 drew 1-1 Solano 2000/01 lost 1-0 (FAC) 1999/00 won 1-0 Ferguson 1998/99 lost 0-1 1997/98 won 1-0 Batty 1996/97 drew 2-2 Shearer, Clark 1995/96 drew 1-1 Ferdinand 1994/95 won 2-0 Lee, Cole 1993/94 won 2-0 Allen (pen), Cole Newcastle at home 2008/09: Won 2-0 Martins 2 2007/08: Drew 0-0 2006/07: Won 3-1 Milner, Dyer, Sibierski 2005/06: Drew 1-1 Shearer (pen) 2004/05: Lost 0-3 2003/04: Drew 1-1 Robert 2002/03: Drew 1-1 Solano 2001/02: Won 3-0 Bellamy 2, Shearer 2000/01: Won 3-1 Glass, Cort, OG 2000/01: Drew 1-1 Solano (FAC) 1999/00: Lost 0-1 1998/99: Won 2-1 Shearer, Ketsbaia 1997/98: Won 1-0 Beresford 1996/97: Won 4-3 Ferdinand 2, Shearer, Howey 1995/96: Won 1-0 Ferdinand 1994/95: Won 3-1 Venison, Beardsley 2 1993/94: Won 5-1 Bracewell, Beardsley 2, Cole, Sellars So going off the most recent tangible evidence it reads... You Won - 8 Drew - 10 Newcastle - 16 Of course there's the small matter of leagues. Apart from that fairly equal I'd say. I'd expect you to counter, but my beef here is neither against jer or you. So to answer your enquiry like Bobzy, none of the above, some by thousands and others by mere tens in no way whatsoever do Sunderland even come close to competing with Newcastle, apart from our current leagues. With the way things are going our respective leagues could be reversed next season and those beautifully red and white paranoid fickle bastards will still insist they are a bigger club. Period. Delusion, in the first degree. Does that answer your question?
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#2224
09 Feb 2010, 13:33
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#2227
09 Feb 2010, 17:55
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sorry that was my daughters second post, jesus she's determined.
what I really mean to say was... f ffb pfft
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#2228
09 Feb 2010, 17:57
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But seriously folks
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If it had been Jones or Bent and they decided to appeal then naturally, Sunderland would be a bigger club than Man United 
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#2229
09 Feb 2010, 20:28
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what the fuck is with this "bigger" club shit?
Some clubs have good history, it doesn't make them good now though does it? (Leeds, Wolves, Forest) Some clubs have higher attendance at games - does this make them better? I seriously don't get this whole "bigger" shit. A club's history is history. A club's present (although I say present, I do mean the past couple of seasons too) is what matters right now.
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#2230
09 Feb 2010, 20:54
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Of course you don't get it. You don't serious(ly) support a football team. Tell me you was born in Kensington and I'll lick your sweaty Welsh balls.
Next.
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#2231
09 Feb 2010, 21:23
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ok , we really need a combined definition of a "Big" club . either its
"Big Catchment Area , and large attendances at every game" "Successful historically with many trophies at every level of the game" Or , its the current method "Excellent PR machine and a lot of money giving the impression of the two above" By the definitions above , Villa & Forest are big Clubs , they have won the European Cup & Domestic Trophies. Newcastle and Sunderland have not , and as such are not. A huge , passionate supporter base unfortunately does not qualify a club as being "Big". If you gents would care to clue me in on your history in relation to the above (number of domestic trophies at the highest level, number of European Trophies , etc etc) ill rethink this statement.
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#2233
09 Feb 2010, 21:40
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Any 10 year old with a bit nonce would get an A+ proving them wrong. See above. As to who is bigger than than who generally, then maybe Nadar is part of the way their. Passions without. Does this deserve a thread of its own, I'd like to think we could all justify why our club is the best 
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#2234
09 Feb 2010, 23:33
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Just need to point out that inspite of their best efforts in throwing away a good lead, Carlisle are off to Wembley for their 5th Johnstone Paint Trophy final.
Fk yeah !
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#2237
11 Feb 2010, 18:25
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Isildurx , any chance you can tell me why the hell Villa are so absoloutely fn toothless up front?
Ive formed a theory that the team is so heavily based around O'Neill's 4-5-1 counter attacking formation that when they go up against 10 men , and they have to move onto the front foot , theyre out of ideas as to how to play a creative build up , as theyre so used to throwing it long into the channels for Agbonlahor & Young to chase. You were shocking in the 2nd half last night. And could easily have lost.
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#2238
11 Feb 2010, 18:50
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or simply a world class attacking player - but that's what separates us from the top 4. we don't have fabregas, van persie, torres, gerrard, rooney, drogba, anelka, lampard. (obviously united/chelsea have the added benefit of a top player at every position generally on top of that)
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11 Feb 2010, 18:59
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This what I have said for months now, we are really really bad at chasing games. Our strikers are quite simply toothless. Agbonlahor has certain very good elements in his playingstyle but we desperately need a quality striker to accompany him up front(as well as a creative midfielder - like jer has pointed out many times). Last night we also played very bad, no doubt about that, however at times we can also play some quite good football(f.ex vs Fulham away).
Our defence + the defensive capabilities of midfield is quite good(the amount of miles run by Milner\Young in a match is quite extraordinary) but offensively were not up to it. Whether this is because Young, Milner, and Downing have too many defensive duties I don't know.. but I doubt it. Bottom line: we desperately need a world-class offensive player if we ever want to make it into the t4.
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11 Feb 2010, 19:35
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essentially we've overperformed all season and it's starting to catch up on us. Most of the fans would have been happy with a top half finish this season, now it's looking like the play-offs which is a great achievement. The fact we even had a chance of automatic promotion is pretty amazing! Non-league nige and dirty derby were really up for that match, and it's apparently clear that Davies gets kicked by Clough after the game. Sullying his fathers reputation
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11 Feb 2010, 20:00
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#2244
11 Feb 2010, 23:11
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having a pass counter on this clip gives the impression that this is an unusual goal for us
(tbh it is )http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/player/Home
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11 Feb 2010, 23:28
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i. great goal. that's football. ii. nice to see the ref nearly fucked it up pass 4. i suppose that's 2 more than usual then iii. i stopped watching it the instant that idiotic music came on. ffs even boro don't steep that low 
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12 Feb 2010, 00:26
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12 Feb 2010, 12:54
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12 Feb 2010, 13:10
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What was the match Nads? Did she have the respect of the players?
Got me thinking lads, would women make better refs?
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12 Feb 2010, 13:19
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I think it would be interesting with female referees. They could have a problem with running around / condition, but that could be trained. I think we'd see a lot less temperament on the pitch, especially as players most likely would yell at a female referee like they yell at a male one. We had a female linesman (heh lineswoman!) in a match last year. A Stabęk-player that likes to yell at the refs turned to yell at a decision, but quickly stopped himself when he realized it was the female ref he turned towards
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